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Post by drat on Jun 15, 2011 0:30:48 GMT -5
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Post by Angus on Jun 15, 2011 9:57:26 GMT -5
Hey Drat,
Not trying to speak for everyone here but I was a part of the conversation about point scoring this year. We’re trying to figure out a way to make everyone happy and encourage more racers to come out.
I guess in a perfect world we would have a separate race for each class then one race for run-what-you-brung. Unfortunately we just aren’t getting enough racers out to form proper classes. We have been running together and leaving it to Dayn to try to sort out the mess for scoring. It’s hard to tell the organizing race club that we need five separate races when we can barely form two or three classes.
Lots of guys have been wanting to get rid of the overall points. For me it doesn’t matter cuz I never get near enough points to be a contender. I could take it or leave it.
The other big one is the general feeling that there shouldn’t be any crossover between classes. I was a big advocate for this because I was getting screwed in my class (Mod under 190) by having everyone eligible for points. I got further screwed by building a Mod over 190 bike only to have that class abandoned and rolled into Mod under 190 right after I finished it.
We’re looking into changing the rules about forming a class when there is a bad turnout or not enough racers. Instead of bumping a racer to another class if there isn’t the minimum 3 to form their class, that person would race with everyone else and get an automatic 3rd for their class. If there is two of that class then they would race with everyone else and be competing for 2nd and 3rd. If three show up then they have enough for a regular class. Unfortunate for me the Mod over 190 will still be abandoned until we have more Mod over 190 racers that regularly come out.
We were trying to get this all resolved before the start of the season but didn’t know how many racers were going to be out this year. Sorry about the confusion at the first Cup Race. Hopefully you can view the extra racing you got in as a good practice on that new beast you’re racing this year. Thanks for bearing with us through these growing pains.
If we don’t figure out a system that encourages more racers to come out it’s going to be the same six or seven people all the time. We might as well abandon all the classes, points and awards and just race for fun. We’re trying our best to get more racers out there for you to beat.
PIR is in like 10 days so let’s all discuss this when we get together at the track and hopefully we can work it out.
A
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Post by drat on Jun 15, 2011 15:27:52 GMT -5
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Post by Angus on Jun 15, 2011 17:01:57 GMT -5
This is definitely a Cup Series. I'm bringin' it down to PIR so you better be ready to go. Points issues aside, we're always going to throw down against each other for bragging rights no matter what classes we ride. Mucho points up for grab on this too so everyone better make a show. Now that I've been all cocky, Drat, can I follow your line during practice?
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Post by bakaracer on Jun 15, 2011 20:41:46 GMT -5
i think we should have open mod , auto,stock and moped. thats if at least 3 guys show up for either of the classes. if not you race in a class that would next fit your bike. or we just keep the same classes from last year. I dont think there was nothing wrong with how it was setup before.
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Post by drat on Jun 15, 2011 21:24:59 GMT -5
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Post by drat on Jun 15, 2011 22:43:26 GMT -5
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Post by drat on Jun 16, 2011 0:43:31 GMT -5
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Post by Angus on Jun 16, 2011 17:21:43 GMT -5
Love the controversy here. You have some great points and funny shit too. I want to write a big reply but am too busy at work today. Also, I'm not the one making the changes I'm just a guy with an opinion on the matter. Stay tuned for that opinion when I have some time...
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Post by drat on Jun 17, 2011 4:41:24 GMT -5
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Post by Dayn on Jun 17, 2011 13:18:10 GMT -5
The overall cup decision was made by the organizers during a meeting at the last race last season.
All of the organizers were asked for input about the one bike one class rule.
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Post by Angus on Jun 17, 2011 14:02:15 GMT -5
Oh snap! Dayn beat me to the punch on the response. Anyway here is what I had come up with...
Drat,
Sorry, what I meant was (just to be really clear) that I am not the “voice of PSRA” but rather was expressing my own opinions here. Also, as mentioned I am responding because I was part of the ongoing discussion on this topic within the Association and I understand the reasons why the PSRA Administrators want to make some changes. The lawyers would have me say “The views and opinions expressed here are not necessarily the bla bla bla”. Now that the disclaimer is dealt with…
Getting away from the issue at hand here for a moment… Here is a bit of the back-storey and insight into the decision making process within the organization. All last year Dayn was having a difficult time scoring the cup events due to some loosely defined rules and a lack of ridership within the classes. There were some temporary fixes we came up with to allow the racers who did show up to still compete for points. The biggest problem was not having the minimum 3 to form a race for each class. Different classes were allowed to cross over and scoring became a bit of a free for all. If you look the results page for 2010 you will see the discrepancies. The biggest one to note is amount of people who were getting points for the Mod over 190 class with bikes that were clearly not over 190.
At the end of las season we all argreed that there needs to be changes made to the scoring system. It may seam to you that the decision to make changes happened right after the first race of the year but this is not the case. This has been a hot topic and discussed in depth between the PSRA administrators. Nothing happens that isn’t first discussed in the administrator’s section of the forum and put to a vote via the @pacificscooterracing.com emails. Everyone agreed that the change needed to happen and we only needed some race results this year to be able to apply the changes to the points system.
As for the specific changes, we looked at the problem and discussed what the intent of the Class system was supposed to be. We also discussed how other organizations such as our host race clubs score their points. Everyone agreed that we needed to get back to scoring the scooter you ride in the class it was supposed to be in. To eliminate the problem of having less than 3 to form a class the suggestion came from the PCMRC who use the system of automatic 3rd for one racer, 2nd & 3rd for two racers and so on. Several people were also quite vocal about eliminating the overall points. I’m not sure why but I didn’t have an argument to keep the overall points system so I just went with what the majority were asking for.
My personal opinion, and I believe it is a majority opinion, is that there should be no cross over between classes. Everyone wants to shoot for points against similar class bikes. This doesn’t say anything about which bikes are better or faster or who’s riding them. And just in case you’re thinking that it has something to do with the Vintage versus New scooter rivalry that exists amongst scooter clubs, it doesn’t. I currently have two vintage racers, three automatic racers, and a moped racer. I see that there are some big advantages to racing on small tracks with an automatic and I am currently working on one of my auto’s to make it go way faster and be a contender. I hope we can get enough numbers to have several races at each meet where each rider can race several different class bikes for points.
With regards to overall points, as mentioned before, I can take it or leave it. I think some of the other guys who had stronger feelings on this should submit their input here.
One thing I’m certain of is that none of us went to school to learn how to administer a race club. We are all racers and some of us have expressed interest in helping out with the organizational side. If something doesn’t work then we will try to fix it. If someone is pissed then their opinion means something. I’m sure we can work this out to be fair and make everyone happy.
Holy shit, that’s the most PC I’ve ever been at one time. I think I’m going to go out an make fun of a minority group now.
See you at PIR.
A
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Post by drat on Jun 17, 2011 14:20:44 GMT -5
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Post by bakaracer on Jun 22, 2011 19:59:48 GMT -5
The overall cup decision was made by the organizers during a meeting at the last race last season. All of the organizers were asked for input about the one bike one class rule. I dont remember ever agreeing to a 1 bike 1 class rule and it was never stated that that was how this year was going to be. the only problem last years that was happening was how the total points for the overall winner was going to be tallied. that was the main focus and being fixed. you guys cant just change the classes and rules after the season starts. plus not everyone agreed to the class changes. if you guys are changing classes and rules now,thats straight up cheating. the open mod 190 class is pretty much the overall championship class if you ask me. if you want to be the overall champion for the pacific scooter racing association. you have to enter in this class no matter what bike you race on. wasn't this class designed for the bigger faster bikes and bikes that didn't fit the other class due to mods done to the bike? common guys, if you want this club to be a legitimate scooter racing association, stuff like this can't happen.no one is going to want to race in it thinking they will be cheated out of a class or points because the organizers want to change rules. I dont know of any racing organization that does stuff like that when the season starts. Common!!
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Post by Dayn on Jun 23, 2011 8:22:11 GMT -5
Hey Brian,
As you know, we included you in all the emails and even tried to get a hold of you on FB, but there has been no response from you till now... well actually you still have not responded to the email. I'm not sure what else we could do? I like Angus' idea about getting together this weekend and talking it over, as clearly our other forms of communication are not working.
Cheers,
Dayn
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