2013 Schedule

[Dayn]

Well if the Mayan's were right and the end of the world does come next week we won't need to worry about this... but just in case they were wrong (or more likely some people got it wrong) we likely should discuss the 2013 racing season.

As one might suspect I have an idea or 2 of what we should do next year, so here is what I have in mind:

First off we take up the offer of our own class with WMRRA and run with them for 80% of the season with 2 or 3 exceptions. This is their 2013 schedule:

Round 1 April 27th - 28th The Ridge Motorsports Park
Round 2 May 25th - 27th The Ridge Motorsports Park
Round 3 June 15th - 16th Pacific Raceways
Round 4 July 13th - 14th The Ridge Motorsports Park
Round 5 August 10th - 11th Pacific Raceways
Round 6 Aug. 31st - Sept. 2nd The Ridge Motorsports Park
Round 7 September 28th - 29th Pacific Raceways

Exception 1 We skip one of the August dates (It's a busy time of year)
Exception 2 we have our last date awards etc in Oct. in Portland @ MACK track.
Exception 3 we try to do a race with the ASRA in Medford when it can be arranged skipping the WMRRA race whichever month that may happen.

One of my main incentives for this schedule is location. Basically people from P-town don't generally travel up to Canada and people from up here are not into heading down to P-town on a regular basis. That's pretty fair as it is a lot of travel either way. With WMRRA we have a chance to race in Washington which is a reasonable mid point for the 2 groups of racers.

I realize that this is a big shift for the club to race on big tracks but with PGP out of the equation it makes sense and is the only way we can race regularly in Washington.

With this shift to the big tracks in mind I'd like to propose a new division of the classes if we go this route or not.

1st group:
This is where the FALC's, P200's, T5's, TS1's live. Basically anything making big horsepower with a cylinder of aluminum and/or over 200cc goes here.

2nd group:
Everything else with a kit on it. Malossi 166s and 135s, Polini 177s and 130s go here. The aim of this class is to keep costs down and reward skilled tuners & riders rather than big $

Stock and Auto classes stay the same.

So that is my idea for 2013. Please post up comments and concerns so we can sort next season out ASAP.

Cheers,

Dayn

[j2]

I really like the sound of this. I will be racing the local tracks on the moped. I wouldn't build a big track bike for one race again, but It would be worth it if it is the direction we want to go. Seattle isnt too far.

[andrea]

Hi dayn I was looking the schedule, so there s no race down to gmr? I like that track because it is good. the ridge it is good but my scooter it is a 70cc so is not the best for that track. to be competitive in that track I should make an 180cc but I don t wanna spend again thousand and thousand dollars. I ll come the same to race because I like but all those races in that long track doesn t give chances to finish in good position.

[Dayn]

Thank you JJ and Andrea for the feedback.

Andrea, to address your points it would definitely be a shift for the PSRA however local racing will still happen at GMR. It gets a little confusing, but I see local racing happening as it did last year but with more racing regionally which is the focus of the PSRA. Last year the PSRA only had 3 races due to the fact that it is a bit of a burden for people to travel from Vancouver to Portland or the other way around. By having races in a more central location I think we can successfully have more races in a season. Racing the big track is a way that we can do this. If there is interest I can happily include a GMR race in my proposal?

I hear your concerns about wanting to stay competitive without breaking the bank. That is what my proposal for the new class divisions are about. I'll admit that when it comes to auto's I'm at a loss. I do know that in the UK the 77cc Zips regularly challenge the lead on big tracks with large capacity geared scooters. It looks like they also regularly finish ahead of the 180cc autos as well. I'm not sure how comparable your bike is to a Zip but I suspect a talented guy such as yourself could make it happen.

Check out these links:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMCda0rdHc4

www.petrolmag.net/view/articles/sport/project-zip-sport-articles/bsso-2010-round-1-mallory-park/

Thanks again for the comments boys and keep em coming. What I have posted is just a proposal until we have a consensus so please speak up.

Cheers,

Dayn

[andrea]

Hi Dayn thank to reply, I know a bit the regolamentations in italy, and I know this: 70cc 19mm carb,
77cc 21mm, 86cc 24mm. This is just for scooter but there are more classes for the 70cc, for the 77cc and the 86cc, considering brands, weight, and other things, in the end a lot of everything. The 180cc in italy on the gilera runner goes at 160 165km/h 95octans and no way that a 70 goes like that, it is not a rotary intake, I already have the longer ratio trasmission that you can get, the only way to go up in speed it is getting more rpm and make the scooter lighter.My it is the same engine that are used to race in italy in the class 70cc, the difference is that my it is an aprilia and not a zip but the engine it is the same, if was sold here in canada for sure that I was getting that because I know that it is the best frame for racing, not the last model but the one before. The 77cc has like 4hp more than my engine and has a bit more acceleration but it is slower in top speed. I have on it more than 100 hours of work always between 7000 to the 13000 rpm ( top 13780 recorded at the ridge) I think that I have a good compromise between performance and reliability that is good in a long track like the ridge so I don t wanna push it more, more rpm, less engine life, and a 70cc with reedvalve close to 14000 it is a good result, push it to 15000 is not a good idea, I have to test it to see if can hold more stress but this means trying to destroy the complete engine and in the end again money.... that s why I was thinking to change the crkase with the 180cc so I can get more than 30hp and it is reliable.


I think that to do more rounds like 10 and time in time mix the tracks and the position where they are (an example: 3 races in tracks in this area, 3 down south so it is equal for everyone and the last 4 in the middle) gives more chances to everyone to do a good result, but this is just an idea, you know how many thing happens, the bearings, the pistons, the parts are not coming, the weather is too bad, all these things, so more races more possibilities to race. Like I said no problem to race wherever the races are, I m happy the same listening my little engine screaming!!!

[Dayn]

Hi Andrea,

For sure there will be some need for most of us to reconfigure our machines.

The other consideration for racing mainly with one group is the cost. MACK was in the region of $140 for the weekend for non PKA members and GMR adds a $70 CMA one time fee on top of the track and club fees. It sucks but when you spread things out more not only is there a deterrent in traveling (fuel, food, lodging and Passport requirement) but you end up having to pay these additional fees. We have tried a schedule like you proposed before but quite a few of us (myself included) found the amount of travel to be a bit of a burden.

I'm happy to vote on it though and go with what the consensus is.

Anyone else out there have thoughts on this?

Cheers,

Dayn

[G]

Well I would be all for racing with WMRRA with a select one or two races at MAC or similar. But I am in Washington so of course it would be easy for me, and I will still travel as much as possible to as many races as I can even if they are in Canada or Oregon. I chatted with the WMRRA folks a bit and its seems that their offer still stands, so we should be good to go if everyone decides this is the right route.

Andrea, Your concerns are valid but at the same time I think that racing will be closer than you think on the big tracks. I would guess we will end up with basically 2 groups (fast and not so fast) once we are on the track together. Of course I only base for this is the performance I have seen from others while racing this year.

[j2]

Lets not lose sight of the fact that there will be racing going on at the local tracks no matter what. We raced 8 races at mac track this year for the moped class and it was great. The scooters showed out for a couple of them. I think the topic is just how do we schedule points races to maximize attendance for the cup races?
Anyone who wants to get more racing time in can go up to Canada and/or down to Oregon to race for any of the local non points races or practice days.

[Angus]

Hi all,

Sorry I have been away from the forums and whatnot for a bit. I have been moving and also just got engaged! To a Girl!

I'm in for the above mentioned racing. Just to reiterate, I'm in for the above mentioned racing.

I will be a bit more involved once shit settles down for me in February. Happy New Year to all. Looking forward to next season.

Angus

[j2]

Hi Angus! missed you buddy. Congrats!

[Dayn]

Congratz Angus!

Thanks for the comments guys. I think we have a consensus now for my proposal. Patrick is also in favor.

I'll Contact the ASRA to see what, when and if a Medford date would happen then I'll work out the schedule.

Hopefully we can have something finalized soon. In the mean time spread the word about the new direction for the classes and big tracks.

Thanks again for your help on this guys. I'm looking forward to the up coming season.

Cheers,

Dayn

[andrea]

Hi thanks to reply and some other ideas, I m new here so I don t know very good all the things, I ll race wherever the races are because it is just for fun. You guys have better idea then me how the things works here, I got good times with all of you so let s see what will happen for the next season. In the meantime:

HAPPY NEW YEAR

[hermeytheelf]

sorry for taking so long to reply. I really like the idea of the PSRA races focusing on The Ridge. I'm actually building a motorcycle to race in the lightweight vintage class for OMRRA and WMRRA. It would be pretty cool to bring both bikes to The Ridge! Local racing in Portland really seems to be a bust but I would love to still be part of the Northwest Challenge :-)

[G]

After talking some more with WMRRA here is what we have:

All races a The Ridge are a go and we are on the schedule for Sunday morning practice and two races. They will let us know about 2-3 weeks prior to each race if an extra practice on Saturday is possible.

For Pacific Raceways, WMRRA has some concerns over time as they aren't allowed to go over thier track time without paying large penalties. They are worried that adding us in there will cause them to run late so they are unsure as to what to do. I told them if it works out then that's great, but if not we wouldn't complain since they are already giving us great oppurtunity on the large tracks.

So the schedule so far would include:
Sunday April 28th
Sunday May 26th
Sunday July 14th
Sunday Septemeber 1st (The September date is Labor Day weekend so there may be a chance for racing and practice on multiple days if we are interested)

[Dayn]

That's great Garrett!

Looks like the Oregon schedule will get sorted this week so hopefully we can pin a date to our October race.

I'm looking into a Medford date. From how our schedule is shaping up it looks like June or August would work out for well for a Medford Date. My Preference would be June and we could take a break in august to rebuild our bikes