is using a cvt trans scooter cheating?

[bakaracer]

whats your take on this topic?

[jstephenson]

There is a class for modern automatics. So nope. Racing scooters in the moped class and then getting the trophy for winning it is cheating.

[bakaracer]

what about in the 190cc mod class? And I'm running a 72cc setup. The reason I ask because the mechanic at this vespa dealership in tacoma where I live said it is because the vespa's have to shift so he said that using a scooter with a cvt is cheating even though I was out cc'd by double and out hp by double. Do you guys feel the same way?

[paddyfitz]

We have always planned on having an auto class.
Brad did a pretty good job of slaying some shit last year on that 70cc Derbi. That thing was apparently dynoed @ 22 horse or something at some point. Most of us on smallframes are making between 15-23ish on a good day.
The mod to 190 class idea was partly to incorporate several genres - autos fit fine in my mind. I'd like to see more, really.
The model that I see working toward is sort of akin to what the BSSO is already up to in the UK.
They have documented dynoed 70cc bikes that make 33-36 horse & do over a ton. :oThey're also racing on full size tracks, but thats another story... that I also want to work toward!
I do think grouping you in w/ the mopeds wasn't... quite... right... but whatever.
Hindsight.
We can make that make more sense for future events.
...Aaaand if homeboy from Vespa Tacoma wants to come out & take a rip around the track with us, maybe we can give him some perspective... or a warm glass of shut the hell up.
We're happy to have you out there.
Cheers. ;D ;D

[Dayn]

Yup what Patrick said...

& BTW Brian you rode the crap out of that thing! Good job! I hope you can make it down to P-town this weekend? Hopefully my bike will not decide to consume parts of it's self this time...hopefully.

Cheers,

Dayn

[bakaracer]

I'm not worried about any rules for the races as you guys are doing a good job on it. It was that this was coming from a vespa owner/rider so if he felt that way I'm sure others do too.that's why iwas asking if others felt the same .

[bakaracer]

Aug 4, 2010 23:44:58 GMT -5 paddyfitz said:

We have always planned on having an auto class.
Brad did a pretty good job of slaying some shit last year on that 70cc Derbi. That thing was apparently dynoed @ 22 horse or something at some point. Most of us on smallframes are making between 15-23ish on a good day.
The mod to 190 class idea was partly to incorporate several genres - autos fit fine in my mind. I'd like to see more, really.
The model that I see working toward is sort of akin to what the BSSO is already up to in the UK.
They have documented dynoed 70cc bikes that make 33-36 horse & do over a ton. :oThey're also racing on full size tracks, but thats another story... that I also want to work toward!
I do think grouping you in w/ the mopeds wasn't... quite... right... but whatever.
Hindsight.
We can make that make more sense for future events.
...Aaaand if homeboy from Vespa Tacoma wants to come out & take a rip around the track with us, maybe we can give him some perspective... or a warm glass of shut the hell up.
We're happy to have you out there.
Cheers. ;D ;D

Dam! My kit is only rated at 7.7hp . Me in the moped class was not my fault .it was my first race with you guys so I didn't even know who I was being grouped with. What was drat riding? He was racing with me in the moped/auto class?

[drat]

you were grided up with mopeds.. i was in the stock 200 class. they just shared the track at the same time.

not sure about you being out horse powered, you gotta consider power to weight as well me thinks.. i would like to see dyno numbers.. but you pulled me in a strait line down that long front strait on a 200 cc stock vespa.

Hey Paddy? whats a stock vespa make round abouts?


i might have to ask EDR to let me throw the stocker up on thier dyno to find out..

[bakaracer]

I got the run on you out of that last turn. When we got to about 1/2 way down the straight I didn't pull from you anymore.

[paddyfitz]

D - Stock 200s in the US were dumbed down to about 11-12 horse for public consumption.
I would guess the one you are on is making somewhere in the mid teens.
I've thought about investigating in dyno time. I am told that finding a dyno that will give us an accurate rating for the output on our bikes would be very difficult as most dynos are set up to deal with bikes producing way more power than ours. The margin for error/risk in using a dyno not setup for our power range on average creates a plus or minus of around 3 horse ... which is too much for my liking to spend the kind of dough it takes to rent it. If I'm spending the dough - I want it to be legit ;D ;D

[drat]

patrick can you use more emotioncons?