err brakes n stuff..

[naz]

-naz

[j2]

I like this and will take two. thank you.

[naz]

Also on the list is MHR 70cc jug, figured it was time to graduate up from stock displacement.

[j2]

scooter parts. watch out... jesse might disqualify you.

[jstephenson]

Why? It's in the rules that you can. Not like running a scooter motor.

[j2]

"Engine and Transmission
1.3.6.2.i Engine casing must be from a moped or in the
spirit of original moped engine (i.e. E-50 kickstart
engines, Tomos kick-start engines), not a
manual shift version of a moped engine (Sachs
505 2/A, Puch Monza engines"

The variant revolution motor falls into this exception. It is based on a moped engine, shares the crank and top end of its counterpart moped models, (sans pedals) and is "in the spirit of the original moped engine" in my opinion. If you disagree I say we put it to a vote and be done with this. Any moped racers care to chime in?

[naz]

Yeah, I just rode around my cylinder but the brand new version and must say it has much better pull and power then my 3 year old malossi 50cc does. Most of the crosshatch has been worn off the jug, haven't check shape of it but I'm sure it's worn a bit out of shape. Otherwise I might stick with it...

[Dayn]

I know I'm not a moped kid but maybe 2 moped classes could help? I'm all in favor of people going faster even if it means mixing and matching parts. Just a thought.

[Nersdpeed]

I would definitely allow the variant to compete, it is certainly from a 'moped lineage' and in the 'spirit of a moped'. It just happens to be made by Derbi, who likes 'em fast I would be in favor of two classes, if it encouraged participation. Right now, I don't believe the ridership supports it.

[jstephenson]

Variant flatreed, pyramid, and piston port and are moped motors that came on bikes with pedals. There were all started with the pedals, and even though the flatreed motor came in a DS50 version it could still be converted back to pedals without case modification. Revolution motors are built for a scooter with big wheels, much like a Scarabeo 50. While they bolt up to the same mounts as a flatreed, they are distinct engines. It's not about the advantage of the better transmission, less rotating mass, less total mass, but that it was not ever offered with pedals and therefor not a moped engine. It is moped racing after all.

[nerdspeed]

"Revolution motors are built for a scooter with big wheels, much like a Scarabeo 50."

Yeah, what scooter would that be? When I used to work at Supersonic Scooters, we carried Derbi as a dealership and had examples of all the US models, the Boulevard, Atlantis, Hunter, Variant Rev., Senda, GP1, GPR, etc... To my knowledge the only 'big wheel' scooter they ever called their own was a euro-only model called the Sonar that came out after piaggio took control, and used a piaggio motor. It seems like the DS50 and Furax, were scooters built to use a moped engine.

So, are pedals now required to race? Otherwise I can't sense the difference between a Moped that uses a "scooter engine" -that never went into any scooter- and a kickstart Tomos.

[JJ]

My point exactly, Thank you Josh. the thing that gets me is I plan to run all moped parts, IE metrakit 70 cylinder, stock flat reed crank, and clutch and vario which are all the same parts that came on the pedal version of the bikes. splitting hairs .. I get that there needs to be a line drawn somewhere, but I still say it fits into the rule exception where it is int he spirit of the original moped engine. and no, pedals are not required.

[jstephenson]

Revolution motors came on Revolutions. This thing.

pnwsra.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=tech&action=display&thread=177

You can convert the kickstart tomos back to pedals by putting in a different pedal shaft into it. Same with a kickstart E50, or kickstart garelli, minarelli, ect. You can't put pedals on a revolution, nor was it ever offered with them. Pedals are not required to race. The only difference between the design of the revolution motor and any other modern scooter is there is a chain that drives the rear wheel. Transmissions are the same as most modern 50cc bikes just not built into the swingarm. DS50's had flip up floorboards that had pedals under them.

[nerdspeed]

I think I understand. You're saying that a revolution isn't a moped, and isn't a scooter, its some kind of unique mutant, daywalker, missing link that disqualifies it from racing with bikes that are just a few millimeters of casting thickness away from identical.

Cool. Everyone except Jesse gets to play a game! Guessing either 0,1,2 or 3: How many of the following bikes, in your estimation, would you say are "Mopeds" -as opposed to scooters or motorcycles??





Only Jesse knows the answer, but my guess is 3, I think they're all mopeds

[responsiblejon]

Polini cup faltered because it burned white hot for a season and fizzled. Some people took it too seriously and ruined it for everyone. The PSRA moped class should be an example to everyone the fun of moped racing. I'd like to say the Derbi revolution motor should be able to race in the moped class, because the Derbi Revolution is a moped in my eyes. Keep the moped class enjoyable, remember that we are friends who are choosing to spend our weekends together in the summer and race stupid things that aren't supposed to be raced. That being said, I look forward to loosing to all of you at least once this year.